Unstoppable together - guest Sarah Gaunt

Jenn Wilson: Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's episode of the Irregular Humans Podcast with me, Jen Wilson. My guest today is Sarah Gaunt from Unstoppable Girls, a youth worker who works with people with ADHD. Sarah, hello.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Hello!

Jenn Wilson: Tell us, please, all about Unstoppable Girls, and what makes it irregular.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely. So, Unstoppable Girls, we're a youth work organization that works with teenage young adult females with ADHD. So, we work with ages 13 to 25.

And I suppose what makes us irregular is we're the only youth work organization that works with girls with ADHD of that age range. Most organisations work with both males and females, or they will work with autism, or they'll work with neurodivergence across the spectrum, but we specifically work with females aged 13 to 25 with ADHD, so we're quite irregular in that sense.

But we're a regular in many other sense. So, yes, we're a youth work organization, we're a not-for-profit organization, but we are an organization that also merges, digital work, so digital youth work, online courses, etc, within real life and in person. And that kind of makes us unique. So, there's a few youth work organisations that do just solely

digital. There's another youth work organization that does a bit of digital, they've got a bit of inline, but they work with autism and, across the piece rather than ADHD. So we're quite unique, we're quite different, we're quite irregular. We use methods and technologies that not necessarily everybody sees in the world of youth work. So we use

tools like Discord, and there's not lots of youth workers using Discord, we& we host

stuff for parents as well, which, is different to how others& so, we're just a really different and irregular youth work organization, and as I said, we're really unique. We are the only one that does what we do. There is no one doing what we do.

Jenn Wilson: Amazing. And as a parent of someone who is, all ADHD, autistic and ADHD, I'm really pleased to have found you, and, found that.

You're& like, a lot of organisations that offer support are kind of local and in-person, but that online support is, you know, being able to take part in things online, that's a really different thing, isn't it?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: It is, and it makes us quite unique, because most youth work organisations work in a certain geographical area, but because we're digital, we are nationwide, so we've got people from Scotland and Liverpool and Wales, and we're based in Kent in the UK. We've got people from all over that are involved with us, and we love that, because we are national, but at present, when we do in-person

and stuff, it is local to Kent, because that's where we are, but we are working with organisations to look at how we can expand that so that can be a more national model. So, yeah, and we're really proud of the digital world, because we've found, you were saying you're

about Audhd. Many of the young people that come to us are AWDHD. We seem to find that the two go hand-in-hand very much together.

But for us, we& we just find that digital works really well, because we have a lot of young people who have real social anxiety that really struggle with coming to something in person, face-to-face. It's just too much for them to be doing at that moment in time. And we find that being on digital makes us a bit more accessible for them.

Because they can sit in their bedroom and do us& we're on Discord, which means they don't have to show their faces, it's text-based and it's text chat.

So, it means that they can kind of

join us at the point where they're ready to, so they can text us. There is& we do do some bits where you can come on camera and join us on& on Discord, but that's your choice, and so I think that's why I like the mix of what we do, because we've realised an awful lot of neurodivergent girls, especially our ADHD girls, just a kind of&

have that fear of that social interaction, and that comes from that whole rejection sensitivity dysphoria stuff. They're so frightened they're going to be rejected. So, actually, that digital world not only enables us to have a bigger community from across the whole of the UK, it enables us to work with girls at the point they're ready to engage with us.

Jenn Wilson: That's fantastic. And yeah, one of the big things about my vision with Regular is that

you know, I'm also an ADHD-er, but I was never an ADHD girl, partly I'm genderqueer, non-binary, but also, I didn't discover that I was ADHD until I was 50. So, I mean, I was an ADHD girl, because I, you know, was growing up assigned female at birth, and I know that you're very inclusive when it comes to

gender, it's not, none of the, nonsense about, biological women and all of that nonsense.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: No.

No, we work with anyone who identifies as female, or was AFAB, so assigned female at birth, and that's always been our philosophy from the word go. So, whenever we get asked, who do you not work with? And our comment is, we don't work with cis males, otherwise I think we work with anybody else. So, we have within our groups, we have cis females, we have trans males, we have non-binary, gender, fluid, gender.

to quit. All of that sits within the work that we do, because for us, it's about creating that inclusive space, and I absolutely get what you mean about not being an ADHD girl. I didn't know until I was in my 40s that I had ADHD, but you said go, oh, I had it all along, but back then, when in school and young, there was no such thing as ADHD. We couldn't get that diagnosis. You couldn't be

sed in the NHS until the year: 2000

just would never have happened, isn't it? But it's that reality of, we don't need to be in that place anymore, so let's put that support out there now.

Jenn Wilson: Yeah, absolutely. And what a difference it must make. You know, I know a lot of us who are late diagnosed look back and go, oh, wouldn't it be great& have been great to have had that support when we were younger and finding our way in the world?

So, tell us a bit about what sorts of things you do to support, ADHD girls.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: As I said, we have our Discord community, which is open Monday to Friday from 3 till 9pm, and that can be open just for free general chat and chit-chat, and we've got some channels that are in& that discuss& have topics in, so there's an anime channel, because we find a lot of our young people who like anime, so that's where they can go and chat all things anime. We have a meme channel where you can go and post all the memes.

But we also do some scheduled

content within that, and scheduled hours, so we do things like an art and craft hour in there, where myself or Claire or some of the other youth workers will go on, and we're doing an art and craft, and we all do some art and craft along. We do a study buddy hour,

because actually, randomly, if you're just doing something with somebody else, it makes it easier to do. So if you've got homework to do, come and join us for the Study Buddy Hour, where you can get on and do your homework, and you're online with other people who are sat there doing something.

Jenn Wilson: usual.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: I might be sat there doing something for Unstoppable Girls, like writing some emails, so I'm not doing anything in particular, it's just that whole body doubling.

Jenn Wilson: That body doubling thing is really useful, isn't it, for a lot of people, who are neurodivergent, or especially ADHDers, that&

That little bit of accountability that is feeling like someone else is present doing it with us.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Yeah, absolutely, and it's the fact that they don't even have to be doing the same thing you're doing. They could be doing something completely different and random. So we do that to try and help people do homework, because I know that I was really bad at doing my homework when I was at school. I just rarely did it, you know, and I rarely got into trouble either, but I rarely did my homework.

Jenn Wilson: Where it was left mine to the very last minute, yeah.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely, very ADHD style, isn't it? Really last minute, when that urgency kicks in, and stuff. So we have that. We do gaming hours on there. I have been known to sit there and we do a bit of a karaoke session, because there's lovely karaoke on Discord. No one ever seems to join me for that. I think they get put off a lot of voice.

Jenn Wilson: But&

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: There's a lot we do on that Discord, so that's kind of our community, and we have two servers there. So we have one community that's for ages 13 to 17, and another community for ages 18 to 25. That's so that for safeguarding purposes, we're keeping adults away from children, although our in-person groups, we do mix those ages up, but we do have the separate communities there, so that it's& we meet our safeguarding duties that we have to.

But we also do courses as well, so we, have, we're in the process of changing it and renaming it, but it's called Unstoppable Exams, which is a revision and exams course, and we literally go through& it takes about an hour, just over an hour's worth of classes and education.

different strategies that work with the ADHD brain towards revision. It stemmed from a mum that came and asked us if we could do that, and I always suddenly realised that for my GCSEs, I did no revision. I think for my A-levels, I revised for two weeks for two subjects. Our brains don't really like revision, it's a bit boring. But from when I was younger compared to now, there's lots of tools, and there's lots of support out there.

So we go through and talk about how to approach revision that works with your ADHD brain. And it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll get loads of revision done per se, but we're working with that. And actually, the funny thing is, we've been running that course for two years. We're now seeing people deliver courses that are just revision in general, and they teach a lot of the same techniques that we've been teaching for the last two years, so we're realizing&

that actually what we've been teaching for ADHD brains is good for most brains in that, so we do that. We are just relaunching our Unstoppable Confidence course.

which we've delivered in schools, we deliver online, which is a 4-weeks course which helps young women have a& start looking at what their ADHD brain is, understand what's actually going on with their ADHD brain.

We also teach them what confidence is, and we teach them about how to build their confidence, because confidence comes from within and comes from doing, but confidence also comes from understanding your brain. So many of the young women we work with& we had a girl come to our group one day who say, oh, I couldn't focus in my lesson at school today, and telling myself off just didn't work, and I still couldn't focus.

And we kind of explore a bit about why that doesn't work. It does to a certain extent, but actually that works by then knocking on our confidence and our self-esteem, in the same way masking knocks confidence and self-esteem. So we look at, if you understand your brain, and you give some peace to the fact that your brain is going to struggle, yeah, I'm going to do this last minute, because there's not going to be enough urgency to get my brain motivated.

and you kind of have some acceptance of that, then your confidence will grow. And also, we find that bringing people together in a group with other girls who are just like it helps raise confidence as well, because they sort of go, oh, I'm not alone, I'm not the only one. And it starts to challenge the thoughts. They think that I'm a bit broken, I'm a bit damaged, I'm the weird one here, I must be lazy, I need to

try harder, and we do that. When you& we've done it in schools, you just start seeing little light bulbs going on, and faces going on, going.

Oh, I do that! When you talk about why you can't start things, why our perception of time is different, therefore, hence we're late, or we're really early, or a whole& all these things going on, and they're starting to go.

Oh, okay. So, that's a really good& and we call it our introductory course for young people to start learning about their ADHD brain. And then, so yeah, those are our kind of our main things that we offer young people. And then we do have, for parents.

of Unstoppable Girls, a parent membership.

We don't do, and we're always really clear, we don't do EHCP support, that is not our skill set, that's not where we sit at. But actually, people only& children and young people only spend 20% of their life in school, 80% of their life is out of school. And what we cover is the other 80% of life.

And so we& that includes a weekly& a monthly workshop, where they get access to that, they can watch replays, they can join us live, they get a weekly email with a mini blogging on the topic of the month. So this month, the topic's the ADHD brain, and next week we'll be recording the workshop that will go up in their portal. They have a portal on there, there's a private Facebook group, and on our little portal.

on our website, they'll also go and have a little community in there too. So, we try to provide support, not&

mainly to young women, but we like to try and support those around them to understand those young women too.

Jenn Wilson: Amazing, it's that, like, the stuff that I'm hearing, you know, it's very much this thing about getting to know ourselves better.

And accept, and even celebrate, and lean into who we really are. Instead of doing that, just try harder, just try and fit in, just try and go along with the system.

stuff that is actually, you know, it's not helping anyone. So, yeah, I mean, I think that that, and obviously the support of the parents around it, and them understanding that too. And it really is sort of shaping a different way of being, isn't it?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely. I think back to when I was younger. I mean, I sit there and I can see there's neurodivergence throughout my whole family, and I sit there, and I think back to school, and I think back to the fact that I was told off, because I used to talk too much in class.

Jenn Wilson: rocks I was, yeah.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Yeah, yeah, Sarah is always talking. I was an intelligent young person, I was always in loads up things, and there's little things, like we work with the girls, that we talk about 50% of people with ADHD have a learning difficulty, so that's half, but half don't have a learning difficulty, and actually 25% of people with ADHD have an above-average IQ.

So, they're highly intelligent people, and we do& in Kent, we have a grammar school system, and we've been doing some work with some of the girls' grammar schools.

And we're actually seeing a higher prevalence in those schools of ADHD than elsewhere, and that would be this whole 25% have above average intelligence. So, it's when you're told that you're not meeting your potential. My school report's always saying, not meeting her potential. If she did more work, she'd reach that potential. If she did more work, she'd have better opportunities in life.

If she tried harder, she'd do this, and, like, she gets what she does the bare minimum, she can get away with. I still do that now. But isn't it? It's just too much effort, because the effort to do that bare minimum is huge.

And it's making sure that you get girls to understand, and parents, and schools, and professionals, that, you know, if they could focus more.

they would focus more. So please stop asking them to focus more, because they can't focus more. You need to adapt what you're doing to help them focus more, because you need to understand how they focus, and where that focus comes from, where that motivation comes from, to get them to do that. And how you've always done it isn't what's going to work.

that, that's really, really what we're trying to do, is say to people, understand ADHD, because

there is some& you know, ADHD comes with major setbacks of the whole emotional dysregulation when your system goes off, when you& you can't start things that you really want to start, but you do, and you're constantly turning up late, or you get into trouble for things that are linked to ADHD. There's a load of stuff that comes with that, but there's also some greatness that comes with ADHD.

The creativity, the tenacity, the resilience, the impassions that we have. You know, we get passionate about things.

And we're here to try and say, yeah, let's look at what we can do to kind of mitigate some of the negative stuff. It doesn't make it go away, but let's embrace what we're great at, and let's embrace what we're good at. And I& that's where it is, and we spend a lot of time trying to say to people, but there's some great things that come with ADHD, we need to not look at it

quite so negatively.

Jenn Wilson: I think that, one, sometimes when I think about my ADHD, I think&

One of the reasons I found it so hard to recognise myself as someone with ADHD is I don't have a deficit of attention at all.

I have very, I have dysregulated attention. I can be really attentive. Hyper-focus is a big thing, isn't it, in ADHD?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: I could&

Jenn Wilson: I pay a lot of attention to things that capture my interest, and my imagination, or my passion for justice, or whatever, and I can also find it impossible to pay attention to things that don't hold enough interest or excitement for me, no matter how hard I try. So it's not an attention deficit, it's an attention variance.

And then& and then there's the hyperactivity thing, and I do have combined ADHD, not the& not the one that's just inattentive, but the hyperactivity.

when you think about hyperactivity, you think about, well, I suppose the traditional early diagnoses of ADHD was little boys climbing the walls, wasn't it? Troublesome little boys.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Not sitting still, getting up, walking around.

Jenn Wilson: Yeah, all of that. And I have& I don't have a great deal of problems sitting for long periods of time.

But my brain is going at 100 miles an hour. And that's where my hyperactivity sits. It's in little fidgets playing with the hair, or, you know, those little subtle movements that I was completely unaware of, that just

part of who I am, yeah.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely, and that's my hyperactivity is the same.

My hyperactivity comes out in that I can talk too much, and I don't stop talking, but it also comes out in the brain. That's one of the reasons we're called Unstoppable Girls. It's a double-edged thing, and we have these conversations lots and lots within the girls in the youth groups and things. It's about& it's a brain that doesn't shut up. And I say to people, my brain talks from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep, and I can't stop it.

from talking, and I always say to people, and it's different for everybody, what's going on, I always think mine's like a toddler that's just randomly going off on subject after subject, so you, you know, and then if it forgets

what it wants to talk about, my brain will sing to me, so it'll sing&

You know, so it's always making noise. That's the hyperactivity. But then the hyperactivity comes out with tiny fidgets, like toe tapping, finger tapping, like you said, hair stroking. It comes out in not those obvious ways of swinging back and forth on a chair, or getting up and down off a chair, or throwing your arms about. Like, I can sit still for hours, I'm&

I look like I am the most inactive person, but I'm not an inactive brain. And so, yeah, part of our name, Unstoppable Girls, comes from the fact that we have brains that are

just unstoppable. They just don't stop. They're constantly on the go and make noise. But it's also the fact that we can achieve anything that we want to, if we want to do that, and I sit and say to any girls, we're not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't do, it's what you want to do. If you have a dream, if you have a goal, we'll support you to get on that dream and have a go.

that goal. And even when life throws curveballs in a way, like, we had a girl

who really unexpectedly got no GCSEs when her GCSE results came in.

And just didn't know what to do. She wasn't expecting to get no GCSEs, and she lost her college place, and all of that. And with support, she ended up on a training course, where she got her qual& she got her Level 2 qualifications that meant she's& then she spent the year going, I don't know what to do, and then she's got in and she's doing hairdressing, which is what she was going to do in the first place. And we say to people, we'll support you, no matter what.

Isn't it? We won't ever say, well, you've ruined this, or you've done that. We'll support you, because girls with ADHD are unstoppable. We can achieve, as long as we have the right support, the right community, the right people around us.

Jenn Wilson: Absolutely. Is there any, you know, if there's maybe parents listening, or if there's young people listening, or people, you know, anyone who's struggling with ADHD from

any angle. Are there any, sort of top tip type things? I know that it's absolutely not one size fits all, like you said, we're all a bit different, but are there some,

things, practices, or suggestions that you would make for people to help them to get past& I think the executive dysfunction is probably the biggest challenge, isn't it? That thing of, I want to get out of bed and do the thing, but I can't get out of bed and do the thing, whatever the thing is, that works.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely. I'm& I'm&

We usually say& there's loads of little things that people can do to help, and I say the joy of an all-DHD brain is, I love routine and I hate routine at the same time.

Jenn Wilson: Yes.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: And I always think my ADHD is a bit more powerful than my autistic side, and I think my autistic side helps calm some of the ADHD down as well. But we know that actually, if you can try and stick to some form of routine, that helps. So if you can stick to getting up out of bed at the same time every day, going to bed at the same time every day, easier said than done, then that really, really helps.

If you can get moving every day, if you can move your body, and we always tell people, move your body however you want to move it. If it's dance, if it's walking, if it's riding a bike, we know that things like pilates, yoga, we know that martial arts, so taekwondo and karate and tai chi, are brilliant for the ADHD brain.

They get both parts working, and how they get all the pathways working together.

But we know that that's not for everyone, because if you don't enjoy it, you're not going to do it. So we always say move your body every day, however you enjoy doing that. We always tell everyone, get yourself outside every day. You know, it doesn't have to be long, even if it's for 10 minutes, even if it's just drinking a cup of tea outside, or whatever. Get outside.

every day. And that sounds& these sounds really hard, but these just help a bit, because they help a bit with the emotional dysregulation, because that can be quite huge, the whole managing of emotions. But things like that just help a little bit to get a bit more focus, or a bit more energy, or a bit more time to do some of the things you want to do. But it is hard, and the biggest thing we say you can have is just be compassionate with yourself.

And learn your body, and listen to your body. Because we say everyone has, you know, when it comes to homework, and if you're working on a business yourself, learn where your energy level lies. Are you more energetic in the morning? Are you more energetic in the afternoon? Are you more energetic in the evening? That's when you should work, not when other people tell you you should work. Learn where your energy levels are.

Learn&

You know, but be compassionate. I have days when I've got stuff I desperately want to do for Unstoppable Girls, and my brain just says, no, it's not going to do it, and so I just have to kind of go, you know what? It doesn't matter if I don't do this today, let's go with the fact& my brain's saying no.

And we're going to do something else, and we go away. And then the big thing I'm really& I'm well known for saying this, I have Claire in the business, and she always& Sarah says this, is we always think about rewards after. Do something first, and then reward yourself after.

Nay.

reward yourself first, because with ADHD, if you do something fun, you do something you enjoy, you do something that's really good, you've got dopamine going in your brain. And because you've then got dopamine going in your brain, it's easier to focus and do the things you don't enjoy. So, I always say to people, rather than going.

I'm going to do this, which I really enjoy, after I've done that. Do it first!

Because you never know, doing that, you've got yourself enough dopamine going on in your brain, you've got enough of the brain chemicals going on that when it's finished, you can go.

Right, I'm now gonna go and do this. So, I used to run a massive youth center here in Kent, and and I had my own little office, I managed a team and a staff, as well as the center, but in the back, I liked sewing, was a little sewing machine, and I would go in some days into work, and my brain would just go, no. And I'd go and spend an hour, sat at the sewing machine, doing a bit of sewing, gave me enough dopamine to then turn around and go and sit on my desk.

and be able to make the phone calls to the schools and the parents that I needed to speak to. And so it's just realising it's these different ways around. But sometimes we work them out without realising how we've managed to do it, but yeah.

Isn't it?

Jenn Wilson: Yeah, and it absolutely& that dopamine first principle's a great one. Like, I remember, trying to follow the conventional productivity advice. That thing, have you ever heard of it, of swallow the frog? Have you heard that one?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Can we use the book somewhere when these.

Jenn Wilson: Yeah. That idea, if you can get the thing you most don't want to do off

and done, you feel invincible and you can get on with everything. And that is true. You know, on the times that I have managed to, in inverted commas, swallow the frog, I have felt amazing and able to do a whole load of other things, but the swallowing of the frog in the first place&

I think is really hard with an ADHD brain, because you really& your whole being is saying, I don't want to do this.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: No!

Jenn Wilson: Your nature to do it.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely, and so that's where do something that's a bit more fun beforehand. So we say, if you like dancing, go and dance, listen to music that you really enjoy, and that'll help give you some dopamine. We talk about looking at, if you haven't got enough dopamine to do what you want to do, let's look at how we can do that, and we definitely do that in our revision and exams course, because we're saying, you know, before an exam, you kind of need to do some activities that

Get you some dopamine, so you can get that concentration and focus in.

And so it is, it's realizing that somehow& how to do that. But we also say to people with our ADHD brain, when someone says prioritize, that's great, but to an ADHD brain, we see everything as important. We can't work out what's important and what's not important. So it's little things like we say to people, just think of three things, you only need to do three things. That's it. Three things. Just do three things, once they're done, tick them off.

That's it. And sometimes, the fact you've just done 3 things and ticked 3 things off, you go, oh, I've got enough dopamine, and you can keep going. So it's gamified& so it's called gamifying, or challenging it, and it's putting in those little games in play that just says, you know what? If all I manage to do today is go and make breakfast, that's fine. You know, what am I going to put on my list? I'm going to put 3 things on my list today that are really easy. I'm going to make breakfast.

you know, have breakfast, and I'm gonna make my bed, and I'm gonna get dressed. And if you do that.

that is absolutely fine. You know, it's the fact you're listening to&

Jenn Wilson: And chances are, once you've done those things, you'll be like, oh, I did those things, now what? Sometimes, you know, not always, and it's fine if you don't, but that'll have tricked your brain into, oh, right, okay, I can do things. I can function now, let's carry on the energy, isn't it?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely. It's just& it's that whole kind of understanding, and& and we say, when you understand your brain, that's when confidence comes, that's when self-esteem comes, that's where you realize that, you know what? And I said, we have days where it's just a no, and you just kind of have to go, yeah, it's not going to happen today. I'm going to sit here on the sofa watching Netflix today, and not do what I want to do.

there's this whole ethos, and actually, I think there's a bit of a challenge in the world, that we should be busy all the time, and there's a whole ethos that we're only valuable if we're being productive, and actually.

We don't have to be productive to be valuable. We're valuable because we are human beings, and we're people, and we have worth, just intrinsic worth, just in that alone.

And so, it's that whole trying to challenge that notion that we have to be productive all the time. I beat myself up all the time, because I go, I'm sat here watching TV in the evening, going, oh, I could be doing this, and I should be doing that, and I could be doing this. And my brain, when it's not, you know, when it's talking, sits there all the time going, oh, you should be doing this. And that's not restful, it's not at all rest, and I look like I'm watching TV, but I'm not.

And it's challenging, and trying to get around those whole beliefs that we have to be productive, we only have worth if we're doing things, or we're being productive, and we have so much worth outside of that, and that's just a tiny bit. But I think, because we're in a society where people are expected to be busy all the time, and if you're someone who's not busy, you kind of go, oh, I'm obviously not a great person, because I'm not busy all the

the time.

Just& there's no need to be busy all the time.

Jenn Wilson: Absolutely, definitely not, and actually, yeah, that's& it results in people being exhausted and burnt out and grumpy and under-resourced and all of those things. And actually, you know, we've been talking a lot from&

on this, from our experience as ADHDers, as people who work with people with ADHD, but I think that this is where I'm really passionate about the work of

irregular is by showing up in ways that work for us, in our unique

apparently disabled, you know, or disordered way of being. Actually, we're shaping healthier, kinder, gentler, more open ways of being, not just for ourselves, but for everyone, regardless of

their brain chemistry. You know, we could all do with a little bit of being kinder to ourselves, and not pushing ourselves to do things that we feel like we should, in inverted commas, isn't it?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Absolutely, absolutely, and we often say, and I've done some things in schools, and we've done stuff with staff in schools, and we say to people, isn't it, what we say helps people with ADHD helps everybody?

It's not just about helping people with ADHD. If you go in with autism strategies, they help everybody. Those strategies to help neurodivergent brains are useful and helpful to everyone, no matter what. So.

it is that whole element of going, we just need to be saying to people, we need to be kinder, and there isn't& shouldn't be an expectation that we need to be busy all the time, or that we're going to be doing X, Y, and Z all the time, or this pressure to just&

And there's always been that pressure, it's just how society is, isn't it? But we can challenge that, and that, I think, works, you know, it's that irregular pattern, and that irregular system, isn't it, of going, actually, I'm not going to do what you& society's saying.

to do, I'm going to do what works for me, which means I'm going to be kind, and I'm not going to say horrible things about people, or nasty things, or whatever. I'm just going to be accepting of people as to who they are and where they're at, really.

Jenn Wilson: Definitely. Oh, Sarah, it's been such a lovely, opportunity to chat and hear about your amazing work with Unstoppable Girls today, here on the podcast.

If anyone's listening and is like, I need some of that Unstoppable Girls, online stuff in my life, or just wants to find you and find out more about what you do, whereabouts can they find you on the internet?

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Yeah, so we have a website, it's unstoppablegirls.org.uk, but if you Google Unstoppable Girls, we tend to be the first page that comes up. Somehow, we've managed to master SEO.

Jenn Wilson: There we go.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: come up quite early on those search terms, so just Google Unstoppable Girls. Unstoppable Girls CIC will definitely come up, because, we're a community interest company. We're then on most social media channels, so we're on Instagram, or at&

If you just search Unstoppable Girls CIC, we will come up on there. It's a very bright, colourful page, you'll see lots of different posting colours.

We have, we're on Facebook. Again, I think if you search Unstoppable Girls CIC, we should come up on Facebook. We're on TikTok as Unstoppable GirlsCIC.

Jenn Wilson: Of course, you're in all the places.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: We want all the ADHD.

Jenn Wilson: People want to be everywhere and doing all the things.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Yeah, yeah. Unstoppable.

Anywhere online and social media.

Jenn Wilson: Sarah, thanks, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you today, and it's goodbye now from irregular humans.

Sarah Gaunt - Unstoppable Girls: Thank you.